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#41 Post by Blissbomb » Thu Aug 05, 2004 6:39 am

But if you can watch the DVD with subtitles on wont it tell you what bill is mumbling? Or does it just come up with %@#$%@#$%@ ?

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#42 Post by Guest » Thu Aug 05, 2004 5:12 pm

The DVD subtitles don't reveal anything about what Bob whispered.

I would like to know how the subtitles were generated. The scene where the guy starts shooting the BB gun has Bob saying "I'm leaving!" when it sounds to me like he says "Hot BB's!".

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Re: What Did He Whisper

#43 Post by phillygalinutah » Thu Aug 05, 2004 10:44 pm

It's posted here before, but here's the site to listen to what Bob said to Charlotte.

Hear here :lol: : http://members.optusnet.com.au/bruisedchickpea/lit.wav



I won't spoil it so you can listen yourself if you choose.

Also go read the LIT script draft sometime. If you think the subtitles don't match up, you'll be amazed how much the final movie version dialogue differs from Sofia's draft script. It appears Bill was given opportunities to improvise as he's done in other films.

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#44 Post by Guest » Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:36 pm

Thanks for the link and the pic, PhillyGal. The whisper is the one part of the film I hope to never figure out.

The particular clip they used in La Dolce Vita wasn't as telling as the scenes surrounding it. Marcello believes he is madly in love with the actress with the kitten. She does not speak Italian, and he does not speak English, and his confessions of love to her fall on uncomprehending ears. Kind of in-keeping with the Lost In Translation theme. That's my take on it, at least. I liked 8 1/2 better, personally, but I don't think any of the scenes really had that kind of link to LIT. I'd love to hear what anyone else might think about this.

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#45 Post by MyTwoCents » Sun Aug 08, 2004 3:10 am

The tone of his voice seems to be a clue here. I believe there are two parts to what he said. In the first part his tone rises, in the second part his tone falls, and then concludes with a question: "OK?" (which most everyone is in agreement upon). I believe what is said is something like this (the dots represent words I cannot decipher):

"Unless we..............again" (rising in tone), "...................come between us (falling tone). O.K.?"

Listen carefully and let me know what you think!

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#46 Post by Blissbomb » Sun Aug 08, 2004 7:04 am

When I first watched the ending of this movie I thought bob whispered "..........I will tell her when I get back". I thought he was trying to tell Charlotte that he would do the right thing and tell his wife about the one night stand that he had with the cabaret singer, thus being true to his wife and in a way admitting to Charlotte that he was wrong for doing it. Charlottes eyes light up and she realises that he is the honest trustworthy person she had always thought he was.

But after watching it again a few more times I realised thats not what he said! :roll:

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#47 Post by batal » Sun Aug 08, 2004 6:52 pm

as far as i read in an interview the kiss an what he said was never scripted.

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What they were saying?

#48 Post by Silver » Mon Aug 09, 2004 12:12 am

I hold fast to my opinion that the whisper at the end is "Promise me that the next time he makes you feel that you're not special, cry if you have to and tell him the truth, okay?"

This is in direct reference to "I'm special" - the karaoke number that Charlotte performs. She had been forgotten/taken for granted by her husband and wanted the reassurance that she did mean something to him.

Bob appreciated her as a person who would listen to him, when his own wife was superficial in her replies and Charlotte valued the advice (bedroom scene especially) that comes with experience.

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#49 Post by Guest » Tue Aug 10, 2004 10:47 pm

I am 99.9% certain that he says "Tell him that you love him" at 5 seconds in the clip here - http://members.optusnet.com.au/bruisedchickpea/lit.wav. Listen and as soon as it gets 5 seconds in he says "Tell him that you love him".

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#50 Post by ybrik2k » Sat Aug 21, 2004 8:18 pm

The first time I saw LiT was in a theater and I didn't hear anything clearly during "The Whisper" scene. I do remember wanting him to have said, "you're the best thing that's happened to me in a very long time...I'll never forget you".

After reading some things about the film and watching it a few more times on DVD I began to try to guess what he said based on more specific dialog in prior scenes and a growing feeling that Sofia had based her story on something that had happened to her, since she, like the Charlotte character, did live in Tokyo after graduating from college. I wondered if perhaps she met a "Bob" and then based her screenplay on that experience and how it played out -or (more likely) the way she wanted it to have played out. In fact, I remember my first impression of those final two scenes being this: -the restrained, awkward and anti-climatic parting scene in the hotel lobby is how these things usually end in real life -and the final tear-jerking, bittersweet "perfect goodbye" in the crowded street is how we would do it if only we got a chance to re-write our lost opportunities.

Then I read someone else's theory that Bob had whispered that Charlotte should, "write about this" which, considering the dialog between Bob and Charlotte in the "Bed Scene" when Charlotte talks about wanting to write, and my feeling that the screenplay was somewhat autobiographical, seemed to make a lot of sense.

Today I watched with headphones on and I heard "The Whisper" more clearly than ever before. I'm pretty sure Bob says, "...tell the truth, OK?" --after saying one or two other things which I couldn't make out. If what I heard today and wrote above is true, he may have said, "You said you wanted to write; well, write about this --and tell the truth, OK?"

If "Charlotte" really is Sofia, that's apparently just what she did. The fact that her version may have ended more poetically than it may have in reality doesn't make it less truthful -it just makes it...well, art.

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#51 Post by jml98 » Mon Oct 04, 2004 12:39 am

this is what he says; i was able to mute the background noise enough to hear "the whisper" pretty clearly:

"Promise that you won't give up that easy. On the flight back, you tell him the truth, ok?"

Go watch the scene again. do u guys agree?
I dunno though, once i figured out what he said, the scene suddenly wasn't as magical to me anymore (but it's still awesome). what do you guys think?

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#52 Post by jm » Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:11 am

"[quote:103bd236aa="jml98"]I dunno though, once i figured out what he said, the scene suddenly wasn't as magical to me anymore (but it's still awesome). what do you guys think?[/quote:103bd236aa]

That's not what he said.
He said, [i:103bd236aa]"Plastics."[/i:103bd236aa][/i]"
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#53 Post by switchtosake » Thu Oct 07, 2004 12:58 am

johnmonkey...what do you mean by "plastics"?

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#54 Post by jm » Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:39 pm

"[quote:af96d45187="switchtosake"]johnmonkey...what do you mean by "plastics"?[/quote:af96d45187]

I'm using it to make fun of the idea that this whisper can be heard and would mean much if known.

"Plastics" is the big-deal whisper in [i:af96d45187]The Graduate,[/i:af96d45187] a much over-rated part of a much over-rated movie."
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Re: What they were saying?

#55 Post by Guest » Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:18 pm

Silver wrote:I hold fast to my opinion that the whisper at the end is "Promise me that the next time he makes you feel that you're not special, cry if you have to and tell him the truth, okay?"

This is in direct reference to "I'm special" - the karaoke number that Charlotte performs. She had been forgotten/taken for granted by her husband and wanted the reassurance that she did mean something to him.

Bob appreciated her as a person who would listen to him, when his own wife was superficial in her replies and Charlotte valued the advice (bedroom scene especially) that comes with experience.

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Re: What they were saying?

#56 Post by Autumn Child » Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:13 am

Anonymous wrote:
Silver wrote:I hold fast to my opinion that the whisper at the end is "Promise me that the next time he makes you feel that you're not special, cry if you have to and tell him the truth, okay?"

This is in direct reference to "I'm special" - the karaoke number that Charlotte performs. She had been forgotten/taken for granted by her husband and wanted the reassurance that she did mean something to him.

Bob appreciated her as a person who would listen to him, when his own wife was superficial in her replies and Charlotte valued the advice (bedroom scene especially) that comes with experience.


hmm... i doubt it was that, im sure its not as long as that.

EDIT: okay, after rewatching it last night, it isnt actually very short :D


i agree that the end of it is "when you get back, ok?"

to me it sounds like "i'll call you/see you when I get back, ok?"

:) but then again, it is quite muffled ;)

EDIT: heh heh changed my mind again, im now firmly convinced that the very end is "tell him you love him, ok?" which someone suggested a few posts up :D

maybe it isnt supposed to be anything, it might not have been scripted and Bill Murray might just have had to say anything... maybe i can email him via an official fan site and he'll tell me? lol

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Re: the first scene

#57 Post by Pitman » Wed May 03, 2006 2:42 pm

drago wrote:The first scene shows the beatiful a** of scarlet, and then bob harris arrives in tokio.he is in a car,and he looks all the buildings,lights, (Am i wright? ) well, in that moment he can see a picture of himself with a whiskey glass in his hand ... my doubt is : that's is the first scene of the film or maybe,just maybe...is the last scene of the film...? why bob harris can see the picture of himself with suntory time,if he just arrives few minutes ago? why? Maybe he arrives for second time,maybe he is coming back to tokio, to found his new love... the beggining is the end,and the end is the beginning

I think this is a very interesting point of view. A similar thing is where Charlotte is crying on the phone to her friend and says she even tried Ikebana. But the Ikebana scene in the movie comes after that phone call, and it certainly looks like that is the first time Charlotte tries it. So, either it's just continuity problems, or Sofia has purposely juggled the timeline to infuse even greater mystery into the film.

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